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I'm reading through Spivak Ch.22 (Infinite Sequences) right now. He mentioned in the written portion that it's often not a trivial matter to determine the boundedness of sequences. With that in mind, he gave us a sequence to chew on before we learn more about boundedness. That sequence is:



$$1, 1+1/2, 1+1/2+1/3, 1+1/2+1/3+1/4, . . .$$



I know that a sequence is bounded above if there is a number $M$ such that $a_nleq M$ for all $n$. Any hints here? I just started sequences the other day, so forgive me if this is an easy problem.






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    It is good that you are attending to the definition of boundedness. So, can you write down a suitable $M$ with $a_nle M$ for all $n$?
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  • @LordSharktheUnknown I'm not too sure what that $M$ would be. Can you give a hint?
    – kyle campbell
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    Those aren't subsequences. In any case, are you sure you have transcribed Spivak's sequence correctly?
    – Lord Shark the Unknown
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    It is just divergence of harmonic series. You can search the net for 'divergence of harmonic series'.
    – Kavi Rama Murthy
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    A classic estimate: for each $n$, consider estimating $a_{2^n}$.
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I'm reading through Spivak Ch.22 (Infinite Sequences) right now. He mentioned in the written portion that it's often not a trivial matter to determine the boundedness of sequences. With that in mind, he gave us a sequence to chew on before we learn more about boundedness. That sequence is:



$$1, 1+1/2, 1+1/2+1/3, 1+1/2+1/3+1/4, . . .$$



I know that a sequence is bounded above if there is a number $M$ such that $a_nleq M$ for all $n$. Any hints here? I just started sequences the other day, so forgive me if this is an easy problem.






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    It is good that you are attending to the definition of boundedness. So, can you write down a suitable $M$ with $a_nle M$ for all $n$?
    – Lord Shark the Unknown
    1 hour ago










  • @LordSharktheUnknown I'm not too sure what that $M$ would be. Can you give a hint?
    – kyle campbell
    1 hour ago






  • 1




    Those aren't subsequences. In any case, are you sure you have transcribed Spivak's sequence correctly?
    – Lord Shark the Unknown
    1 hour ago






  • 1




    It is just divergence of harmonic series. You can search the net for 'divergence of harmonic series'.
    – Kavi Rama Murthy
    1 hour ago






  • 1




    A classic estimate: for each $n$, consider estimating $a_{2^n}$.
    – xbh
    1 hour ago














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I'm reading through Spivak Ch.22 (Infinite Sequences) right now. He mentioned in the written portion that it's often not a trivial matter to determine the boundedness of sequences. With that in mind, he gave us a sequence to chew on before we learn more about boundedness. That sequence is:



$$1, 1+1/2, 1+1/2+1/3, 1+1/2+1/3+1/4, . . .$$



I know that a sequence is bounded above if there is a number $M$ such that $a_nleq M$ for all $n$. Any hints here? I just started sequences the other day, so forgive me if this is an easy problem.






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I'm reading through Spivak Ch.22 (Infinite Sequences) right now. He mentioned in the written portion that it's often not a trivial matter to determine the boundedness of sequences. With that in mind, he gave us a sequence to chew on before we learn more about boundedness. That sequence is:



$$1, 1+1/2, 1+1/2+1/3, 1+1/2+1/3+1/4, . . .$$



I know that a sequence is bounded above if there is a number $M$ such that $a_nleq M$ for all $n$. Any hints here? I just started sequences the other day, so forgive me if this is an easy problem.






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    It is good that you are attending to the definition of boundedness. So, can you write down a suitable $M$ with $a_nle M$ for all $n$?
    – Lord Shark the Unknown
    1 hour ago










  • @LordSharktheUnknown I'm not too sure what that $M$ would be. Can you give a hint?
    – kyle campbell
    1 hour ago






  • 1




    Those aren't subsequences. In any case, are you sure you have transcribed Spivak's sequence correctly?
    – Lord Shark the Unknown
    1 hour ago






  • 1




    It is just divergence of harmonic series. You can search the net for 'divergence of harmonic series'.
    – Kavi Rama Murthy
    1 hour ago






  • 1




    A classic estimate: for each $n$, consider estimating $a_{2^n}$.
    – xbh
    1 hour ago














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    It is good that you are attending to the definition of boundedness. So, can you write down a suitable $M$ with $a_nle M$ for all $n$?
    – Lord Shark the Unknown
    1 hour ago










  • @LordSharktheUnknown I'm not too sure what that $M$ would be. Can you give a hint?
    – kyle campbell
    1 hour ago






  • 1




    Those aren't subsequences. In any case, are you sure you have transcribed Spivak's sequence correctly?
    – Lord Shark the Unknown
    1 hour ago






  • 1




    It is just divergence of harmonic series. You can search the net for 'divergence of harmonic series'.
    – Kavi Rama Murthy
    1 hour ago






  • 1




    A classic estimate: for each $n$, consider estimating $a_{2^n}$.
    – xbh
    1 hour ago








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It is good that you are attending to the definition of boundedness. So, can you write down a suitable $M$ with $a_nle M$ for all $n$?
– Lord Shark the Unknown
1 hour ago




It is good that you are attending to the definition of boundedness. So, can you write down a suitable $M$ with $a_nle M$ for all $n$?
– Lord Shark the Unknown
1 hour ago












@LordSharktheUnknown I'm not too sure what that $M$ would be. Can you give a hint?
– kyle campbell
1 hour ago




@LordSharktheUnknown I'm not too sure what that $M$ would be. Can you give a hint?
– kyle campbell
1 hour ago




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Those aren't subsequences. In any case, are you sure you have transcribed Spivak's sequence correctly?
– Lord Shark the Unknown
1 hour ago




Those aren't subsequences. In any case, are you sure you have transcribed Spivak's sequence correctly?
– Lord Shark the Unknown
1 hour ago




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It is just divergence of harmonic series. You can search the net for 'divergence of harmonic series'.
– Kavi Rama Murthy
1 hour ago




It is just divergence of harmonic series. You can search the net for 'divergence of harmonic series'.
– Kavi Rama Murthy
1 hour ago




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A classic estimate: for each $n$, consider estimating $a_{2^n}$.
– xbh
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A classic estimate: for each $n$, consider estimating $a_{2^n}$.
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This is a classic example of how our intuition can be wrong concerning infinities. As @Kavi said in the comments, this is the harmonic series and indeed diverges. I believe that Spivak provided this as an example to “chew on” in order to show how non trivial boundedness can be, as on first glance many people believe this sequence should be bounded.






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Indeed, you can notice that



$$a_1=1,a_4>2(=1+frac{1}{2}+frac{1}{4}+frac{1}{4}), a_8>frac{5}{2}(=a_4+frac{1}{8}+frac{1}{8}+frac{1}{8}+frac{1}{8}),a_{16}>3(=a_{8}+frac{1}{16}+frac{1}{16}+..8times)$$, so the general pattern is $a_{2^{2n}}>n+1$, so given an upper bound M, you can find a natural number n s.t. $ngeq M$ by archimedian property and so $a_{2^{2n}}>n+1>M$ and hence it can't be bounded.






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    This is a classic example of how our intuition can be wrong concerning infinities. As @Kavi said in the comments, this is the harmonic series and indeed diverges. I believe that Spivak provided this as an example to “chew on” in order to show how non trivial boundedness can be, as on first glance many people believe this sequence should be bounded.






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    This is a classic example of how our intuition can be wrong concerning infinities. As @Kavi said in the comments, this is the harmonic series and indeed diverges. I believe that Spivak provided this as an example to “chew on” in order to show how non trivial boundedness can be, as on first glance many people believe this sequence should be bounded.






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    This is a classic example of how our intuition can be wrong concerning infinities. As @Kavi said in the comments, this is the harmonic series and indeed diverges. I believe that Spivak provided this as an example to “chew on” in order to show how non trivial boundedness can be, as on first glance many people believe this sequence should be bounded.






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    This is a classic example of how our intuition can be wrong concerning infinities. As @Kavi said in the comments, this is the harmonic series and indeed diverges. I believe that Spivak provided this as an example to “chew on” in order to show how non trivial boundedness can be, as on first glance many people believe this sequence should be bounded.







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    Indeed, you can notice that



    $$a_1=1,a_4>2(=1+frac{1}{2}+frac{1}{4}+frac{1}{4}), a_8>frac{5}{2}(=a_4+frac{1}{8}+frac{1}{8}+frac{1}{8}+frac{1}{8}),a_{16}>3(=a_{8}+frac{1}{16}+frac{1}{16}+..8times)$$, so the general pattern is $a_{2^{2n}}>n+1$, so given an upper bound M, you can find a natural number n s.t. $ngeq M$ by archimedian property and so $a_{2^{2n}}>n+1>M$ and hence it can't be bounded.






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      Indeed, you can notice that



      $$a_1=1,a_4>2(=1+frac{1}{2}+frac{1}{4}+frac{1}{4}), a_8>frac{5}{2}(=a_4+frac{1}{8}+frac{1}{8}+frac{1}{8}+frac{1}{8}),a_{16}>3(=a_{8}+frac{1}{16}+frac{1}{16}+..8times)$$, so the general pattern is $a_{2^{2n}}>n+1$, so given an upper bound M, you can find a natural number n s.t. $ngeq M$ by archimedian property and so $a_{2^{2n}}>n+1>M$ and hence it can't be bounded.






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        Indeed, you can notice that



        $$a_1=1,a_4>2(=1+frac{1}{2}+frac{1}{4}+frac{1}{4}), a_8>frac{5}{2}(=a_4+frac{1}{8}+frac{1}{8}+frac{1}{8}+frac{1}{8}),a_{16}>3(=a_{8}+frac{1}{16}+frac{1}{16}+..8times)$$, so the general pattern is $a_{2^{2n}}>n+1$, so given an upper bound M, you can find a natural number n s.t. $ngeq M$ by archimedian property and so $a_{2^{2n}}>n+1>M$ and hence it can't be bounded.






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        Indeed, you can notice that



        $$a_1=1,a_4>2(=1+frac{1}{2}+frac{1}{4}+frac{1}{4}), a_8>frac{5}{2}(=a_4+frac{1}{8}+frac{1}{8}+frac{1}{8}+frac{1}{8}),a_{16}>3(=a_{8}+frac{1}{16}+frac{1}{16}+..8times)$$, so the general pattern is $a_{2^{2n}}>n+1$, so given an upper bound M, you can find a natural number n s.t. $ngeq M$ by archimedian property and so $a_{2^{2n}}>n+1>M$ and hence it can't be bounded.







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