Repeatedly dividing $360$ by $2$ preserves that the sum of the digits (including decimals) is $9$
Can someone give me a clue on how am I going to prove that this pattern is true or not as I deal with repeated division by 2? I tried dividing 360 by 2 repeatedly, eventually the digits of the result, when added repeatedly, always result to 9 for example:
begin{align*}
360 ÷ 2 &= 180 text{, and } 1 + 8 + 0 = 9\
180 ÷ 2 &= 90 text{, and } 9 + 0 = 9\
90 ÷ 2 &= 45 text{, and } 4 + 5 = 9\
45 ÷ 2 &= 22.5 text{, and } 2 + 2 + 5 = 9\
22.5 ÷ 2 &= 11.25 text{, and } 1 + 1 + 2 + 5 = 9\
11.25 ÷ 2 &= 5.625 text{, and } 5 + 6 + 2 + 5 = 18 text{, and } 1 + 8 = 9\
5.625 ÷ 2 &= 2.8125 text{, and } 2 + 8 + 1 + 2 + 5 = 18 text{, and } 1 + 8 = 9
end{align*}
As I continue this pattern I found no error (but not so sure)... please any idea would be of great help!
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Can someone give me a clue on how am I going to prove that this pattern is true or not as I deal with repeated division by 2? I tried dividing 360 by 2 repeatedly, eventually the digits of the result, when added repeatedly, always result to 9 for example:
begin{align*}
360 ÷ 2 &= 180 text{, and } 1 + 8 + 0 = 9\
180 ÷ 2 &= 90 text{, and } 9 + 0 = 9\
90 ÷ 2 &= 45 text{, and } 4 + 5 = 9\
45 ÷ 2 &= 22.5 text{, and } 2 + 2 + 5 = 9\
22.5 ÷ 2 &= 11.25 text{, and } 1 + 1 + 2 + 5 = 9\
11.25 ÷ 2 &= 5.625 text{, and } 5 + 6 + 2 + 5 = 18 text{, and } 1 + 8 = 9\
5.625 ÷ 2 &= 2.8125 text{, and } 2 + 8 + 1 + 2 + 5 = 18 text{, and } 1 + 8 = 9
end{align*}
As I continue this pattern I found no error (but not so sure)... please any idea would be of great help!
elementary-number-theory decimal-expansion
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One thing to realise is that the sum of the digits of a multiple of 9 is also a multiple of 9: math.stackexchange.com/questions/1221698/…
– Matti P.
yesterday
8
Rather than dividing by 2, a better way to do it might be to multiply by 5, because both will result in the same decimal digits. Now all you’re doing is (repeatedly) computing that 0*5=0 mod 9.
– Shalop
23 hours ago
It would work too with division by $5$ (or multiplication by $2$)
– Henry
16 hours ago
1
Try dividing by 11 and see what you get :-)
– ChatterOne
7 hours ago
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Can someone give me a clue on how am I going to prove that this pattern is true or not as I deal with repeated division by 2? I tried dividing 360 by 2 repeatedly, eventually the digits of the result, when added repeatedly, always result to 9 for example:
begin{align*}
360 ÷ 2 &= 180 text{, and } 1 + 8 + 0 = 9\
180 ÷ 2 &= 90 text{, and } 9 + 0 = 9\
90 ÷ 2 &= 45 text{, and } 4 + 5 = 9\
45 ÷ 2 &= 22.5 text{, and } 2 + 2 + 5 = 9\
22.5 ÷ 2 &= 11.25 text{, and } 1 + 1 + 2 + 5 = 9\
11.25 ÷ 2 &= 5.625 text{, and } 5 + 6 + 2 + 5 = 18 text{, and } 1 + 8 = 9\
5.625 ÷ 2 &= 2.8125 text{, and } 2 + 8 + 1 + 2 + 5 = 18 text{, and } 1 + 8 = 9
end{align*}
As I continue this pattern I found no error (but not so sure)... please any idea would be of great help!
elementary-number-theory decimal-expansion
Can someone give me a clue on how am I going to prove that this pattern is true or not as I deal with repeated division by 2? I tried dividing 360 by 2 repeatedly, eventually the digits of the result, when added repeatedly, always result to 9 for example:
begin{align*}
360 ÷ 2 &= 180 text{, and } 1 + 8 + 0 = 9\
180 ÷ 2 &= 90 text{, and } 9 + 0 = 9\
90 ÷ 2 &= 45 text{, and } 4 + 5 = 9\
45 ÷ 2 &= 22.5 text{, and } 2 + 2 + 5 = 9\
22.5 ÷ 2 &= 11.25 text{, and } 1 + 1 + 2 + 5 = 9\
11.25 ÷ 2 &= 5.625 text{, and } 5 + 6 + 2 + 5 = 18 text{, and } 1 + 8 = 9\
5.625 ÷ 2 &= 2.8125 text{, and } 2 + 8 + 1 + 2 + 5 = 18 text{, and } 1 + 8 = 9
end{align*}
As I continue this pattern I found no error (but not so sure)... please any idea would be of great help!
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One thing to realise is that the sum of the digits of a multiple of 9 is also a multiple of 9: math.stackexchange.com/questions/1221698/…
– Matti P.
yesterday
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Rather than dividing by 2, a better way to do it might be to multiply by 5, because both will result in the same decimal digits. Now all you’re doing is (repeatedly) computing that 0*5=0 mod 9.
– Shalop
23 hours ago
It would work too with division by $5$ (or multiplication by $2$)
– Henry
16 hours ago
1
Try dividing by 11 and see what you get :-)
– ChatterOne
7 hours ago
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One thing to realise is that the sum of the digits of a multiple of 9 is also a multiple of 9: math.stackexchange.com/questions/1221698/…
– Matti P.
yesterday
8
Rather than dividing by 2, a better way to do it might be to multiply by 5, because both will result in the same decimal digits. Now all you’re doing is (repeatedly) computing that 0*5=0 mod 9.
– Shalop
23 hours ago
It would work too with division by $5$ (or multiplication by $2$)
– Henry
16 hours ago
1
Try dividing by 11 and see what you get :-)
– ChatterOne
7 hours ago
14
14
One thing to realise is that the sum of the digits of a multiple of 9 is also a multiple of 9: math.stackexchange.com/questions/1221698/…
– Matti P.
yesterday
One thing to realise is that the sum of the digits of a multiple of 9 is also a multiple of 9: math.stackexchange.com/questions/1221698/…
– Matti P.
yesterday
8
8
Rather than dividing by 2, a better way to do it might be to multiply by 5, because both will result in the same decimal digits. Now all you’re doing is (repeatedly) computing that 0*5=0 mod 9.
– Shalop
23 hours ago
Rather than dividing by 2, a better way to do it might be to multiply by 5, because both will result in the same decimal digits. Now all you’re doing is (repeatedly) computing that 0*5=0 mod 9.
– Shalop
23 hours ago
It would work too with division by $5$ (or multiplication by $2$)
– Henry
16 hours ago
It would work too with division by $5$ (or multiplication by $2$)
– Henry
16 hours ago
1
1
Try dividing by 11 and see what you get :-)
– ChatterOne
7 hours ago
Try dividing by 11 and see what you get :-)
– ChatterOne
7 hours ago
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Define the digit sum of the positive integer $n$ as the sum $d(n)$ of its digits. The reduced digit sum $d^*(n)$ is obtained by iterating the computation of the digit sum. For instance
$$
n=17254,quad
d(n)=1+7+2+5+4=19,
quad
d(d(n))=1+9=10,
quad
d(d(d(n)))=1+0=1=d^*(n)
$$
Note that $d(n)le n$, equality holding if and only if $1le nle 9$. Also, $1le d^*(n)le 9$, because the process stops only when the digit sum obtained is a one-digit number.
The main point is that $n-d(n)$ is divisible by $9$: indeed, if
$$
n=a_0+a_1cdot10+a_2cdot10^2+dots+a_ncdot10^n,
$$
then
$$
n-d(n)=a_0(1-1)+a_1(10-1)+a_2(10^2-1)+dots+a_n(10^n-1)
$$
and each factor $10^k-1$ is divisible by $9$. This extends to the reduced digit sum, because we can write (in the example above)
$$
n-d^*(n)=bigl(n-d(n)bigr)+bigl(d(n)-d(d(n))bigr)+bigl(d(d(n))-d(d(d(n)))bigr)
$$
and each parenthesized term is divisible by $9$. This works the same when a different number of steps is necessary.
Since the only one-digit number divisible by $9$ is $9$ itself, we can conclude that
$d^*(n)=9$ if and only if $n$ is divisible by $9$.
Since $360$ is divisible by $9$, its reduced digit sum is $9$; the same happenso for $180$ and so on.
When you divide an even integer $n$ by $2$, the quotient is divisible by $9$ if and only if $n$ is divisible by $9$.
What if the integer $n$ is odd? Well, the digits sum of $10n$ is the same as the digit sum of $n$. So what you are actually doing when arriving at $45$ is actually
begin{align}
&45 xrightarrow{cdot10} 450 xrightarrow{/2} 225 && d^*(225)=9 \
&225 xrightarrow{cdot10} 2250 xrightarrow{/2} 1225 && d^*(1225)=9
end{align}
and so on. Note that the first step can also be stated as
$$
45 xrightarrow{cdot5} 225
$$
Under these operations divisibility by $9$ is preserved, because you divide by $2$ or multiply by $5$.
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In general if an integer is divisible by 9 then its digital root is $9$. Any multiple of an integer divisible by $9$ will also be divisible by $9$ and have digital root $9$.
What's slightly surprising here is that this property is also preserved by division by $2$. Note that it doesn't work for, say, division by $3$, since $360/3 = 120$ has digital root $3$.
A relevant property that $2$ has, but $3$ doesn't, is that it's a factor of $10$. Dividing by $2$ is equivalent to multiplying by $5$, which preserves the property, and then dividing by $10$, which also preserves the property because it just removes a final zero, or adds or shifts the decimal point.
More generally, division by an integer $n$ will preserve the property of having digital root $9$ if all the prime factors of $n$ are factors of $10$, that is, it equals $2^a5^b$ for some $a,b geq1$. This works because division by $2^a5^b$ is equivalent to multiplying by $2^b5^a$ and then dividing by $10^{a+b}$.
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I would say the relevant property is more that 3 is a divisor of 9, and 2 isn't. Dividing/multiplying with 7 has the same effect, though the divisors of $10^k$ will always result in a finite number of non-zero digits.
– Paŭlo Ebermann
20 hours ago
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@PaŭloEbermann Could you please clarify your claim about dividing by 7? Division by 7 of most integers, including 360, results in a number containing an infinite recurring decimal. Surely in such cases the digital root isn't even well-defined?
– Adam Bailey
18 hours ago
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A number is divisible by 9 iff its digits sum to a number divisible by 9. That's the underlying phenomenon here.
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I think the other answers are unnecessarily complicated.
It's very simple: a number is a multiple of 9 if and only if the sum of its digits equals 9. You started with 360 which is a multiple by 9. When such a number can be divided by 2, the result will still be a multiple of 9 because 2 and 9 are coprime.
And when you finally get to the point where the number is not divisible by 2, as you did with 45, we can simply imagine that you multiplied by 10 before dividing by 2 - so that from 45 you go to 450 and then to 225, which is essentially the same as going to 22.5. And since multiplying by 10 also does not change the property of a number being a multiple of 9 (because 10 and 9 are coprime), your result is still a multiple of 9.
I think "because 2 does not divide 9" should be "because 2 and 9 are coprime". Take 6 instead of 2 to see that the reasoning is wrong as it is currently stated.
– Paul
13 hours ago
@Paul Oops, you're right. In fact I wrote "coprime" at first but in a (flawed) attempt to use simpler terminology I changed it to that... Fixed now, thanks!
– Pedro A
13 hours ago
But 7 is also coprime to 9, and starting from 360 you are immediately at the point where the number is not divisible by 7. And if you multiply by 10, or indeed any power of 10, it's still not divisible by 7. You get a number containing an infinite recurring decimal.
– Adam Bailey
5 hours ago
@AdamBailey Well, I agree. But what is your point? Why are you considering 7?
– Pedro A
2 hours ago
@PedroA I'm considering 7 because, like 2, it's coprime to 9, but unlike division by 2, division by 7 does not preserve the property of having a digital root of 9. The conclusion to be drawn is that the reason this property holds for division by 2 is not, or at least not solely, that 2 is coprime to 9.
– Adam Bailey
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1) The sum of the digits of a multiple of $9$ will be a multiple of $9$.
Why? If $N$ is a multiple of $9$ then $N - 9k$ will also be a multiple of $9$ for all integers $k$.
If $N = sum_{k=0}^n a_k 10^k$ is a multiple of $9$ then $(sum_{k=0}^n a_k 10^k) - 9(a_1 + 11a_2 + 111a_3 + ..... + 1111.....1111a_n)$ is a multiple of $9$.
And $(sum_{k=0}^n a_k 10^k) - 9(a_1 + 11a_2 + 111a_3 + ..... + 1111.....1111a_n)=$
$(sum_{k=0}^n a_k 10^k) - (9a_1 + 99a_2 + 999a_3 + ..... + 9999.....9999a_n)=$
$sum_{k=0}^n [a_k*10^k - underbrace{999...9}k*a_k]=$
$sum_{k=0}^n a_k(10^k - underbrace{999...9}k)=sum_{k=0}^n a_k*1 =$ the sum of the digits of $N$.
2) we can extend that decimals:
If $N$ is $9$ times some terminating decimal than the sum of the digits are a multiple of $9$.
Why? Well, its the same as above except $N$ has be divided by a power of $10$. But that only affects the position of the decimal point. It doesn't affect the digits.
3) If $N$ is a $9$ times a terminating decimal than $frac N2$ is $9$ times a terminating decimal.
If $N = 9times M$ and $M$ is a terminating decimal then $frac M2$ is a terminating decimal. Then $frac N2 = 9times frac M2$ is also $9$ times a terminating decimal and the digits add up to a multiple of $9$.
4) Since $360 = 9*40$ we start with a number whose digits add to $9$. Successively dividing by $2$ will result in $9*20$ and $9*10$ and so on, always $9$ times a terminating decimal with the sum of the digits being a multiple of $9$.
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Define the digit sum of the positive integer $n$ as the sum $d(n)$ of its digits. The reduced digit sum $d^*(n)$ is obtained by iterating the computation of the digit sum. For instance
$$
n=17254,quad
d(n)=1+7+2+5+4=19,
quad
d(d(n))=1+9=10,
quad
d(d(d(n)))=1+0=1=d^*(n)
$$
Note that $d(n)le n$, equality holding if and only if $1le nle 9$. Also, $1le d^*(n)le 9$, because the process stops only when the digit sum obtained is a one-digit number.
The main point is that $n-d(n)$ is divisible by $9$: indeed, if
$$
n=a_0+a_1cdot10+a_2cdot10^2+dots+a_ncdot10^n,
$$
then
$$
n-d(n)=a_0(1-1)+a_1(10-1)+a_2(10^2-1)+dots+a_n(10^n-1)
$$
and each factor $10^k-1$ is divisible by $9$. This extends to the reduced digit sum, because we can write (in the example above)
$$
n-d^*(n)=bigl(n-d(n)bigr)+bigl(d(n)-d(d(n))bigr)+bigl(d(d(n))-d(d(d(n)))bigr)
$$
and each parenthesized term is divisible by $9$. This works the same when a different number of steps is necessary.
Since the only one-digit number divisible by $9$ is $9$ itself, we can conclude that
$d^*(n)=9$ if and only if $n$ is divisible by $9$.
Since $360$ is divisible by $9$, its reduced digit sum is $9$; the same happenso for $180$ and so on.
When you divide an even integer $n$ by $2$, the quotient is divisible by $9$ if and only if $n$ is divisible by $9$.
What if the integer $n$ is odd? Well, the digits sum of $10n$ is the same as the digit sum of $n$. So what you are actually doing when arriving at $45$ is actually
begin{align}
&45 xrightarrow{cdot10} 450 xrightarrow{/2} 225 && d^*(225)=9 \
&225 xrightarrow{cdot10} 2250 xrightarrow{/2} 1225 && d^*(1225)=9
end{align}
and so on. Note that the first step can also be stated as
$$
45 xrightarrow{cdot5} 225
$$
Under these operations divisibility by $9$ is preserved, because you divide by $2$ or multiply by $5$.
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Define the digit sum of the positive integer $n$ as the sum $d(n)$ of its digits. The reduced digit sum $d^*(n)$ is obtained by iterating the computation of the digit sum. For instance
$$
n=17254,quad
d(n)=1+7+2+5+4=19,
quad
d(d(n))=1+9=10,
quad
d(d(d(n)))=1+0=1=d^*(n)
$$
Note that $d(n)le n$, equality holding if and only if $1le nle 9$. Also, $1le d^*(n)le 9$, because the process stops only when the digit sum obtained is a one-digit number.
The main point is that $n-d(n)$ is divisible by $9$: indeed, if
$$
n=a_0+a_1cdot10+a_2cdot10^2+dots+a_ncdot10^n,
$$
then
$$
n-d(n)=a_0(1-1)+a_1(10-1)+a_2(10^2-1)+dots+a_n(10^n-1)
$$
and each factor $10^k-1$ is divisible by $9$. This extends to the reduced digit sum, because we can write (in the example above)
$$
n-d^*(n)=bigl(n-d(n)bigr)+bigl(d(n)-d(d(n))bigr)+bigl(d(d(n))-d(d(d(n)))bigr)
$$
and each parenthesized term is divisible by $9$. This works the same when a different number of steps is necessary.
Since the only one-digit number divisible by $9$ is $9$ itself, we can conclude that
$d^*(n)=9$ if and only if $n$ is divisible by $9$.
Since $360$ is divisible by $9$, its reduced digit sum is $9$; the same happenso for $180$ and so on.
When you divide an even integer $n$ by $2$, the quotient is divisible by $9$ if and only if $n$ is divisible by $9$.
What if the integer $n$ is odd? Well, the digits sum of $10n$ is the same as the digit sum of $n$. So what you are actually doing when arriving at $45$ is actually
begin{align}
&45 xrightarrow{cdot10} 450 xrightarrow{/2} 225 && d^*(225)=9 \
&225 xrightarrow{cdot10} 2250 xrightarrow{/2} 1225 && d^*(1225)=9
end{align}
and so on. Note that the first step can also be stated as
$$
45 xrightarrow{cdot5} 225
$$
Under these operations divisibility by $9$ is preserved, because you divide by $2$ or multiply by $5$.
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Define the digit sum of the positive integer $n$ as the sum $d(n)$ of its digits. The reduced digit sum $d^*(n)$ is obtained by iterating the computation of the digit sum. For instance
$$
n=17254,quad
d(n)=1+7+2+5+4=19,
quad
d(d(n))=1+9=10,
quad
d(d(d(n)))=1+0=1=d^*(n)
$$
Note that $d(n)le n$, equality holding if and only if $1le nle 9$. Also, $1le d^*(n)le 9$, because the process stops only when the digit sum obtained is a one-digit number.
The main point is that $n-d(n)$ is divisible by $9$: indeed, if
$$
n=a_0+a_1cdot10+a_2cdot10^2+dots+a_ncdot10^n,
$$
then
$$
n-d(n)=a_0(1-1)+a_1(10-1)+a_2(10^2-1)+dots+a_n(10^n-1)
$$
and each factor $10^k-1$ is divisible by $9$. This extends to the reduced digit sum, because we can write (in the example above)
$$
n-d^*(n)=bigl(n-d(n)bigr)+bigl(d(n)-d(d(n))bigr)+bigl(d(d(n))-d(d(d(n)))bigr)
$$
and each parenthesized term is divisible by $9$. This works the same when a different number of steps is necessary.
Since the only one-digit number divisible by $9$ is $9$ itself, we can conclude that
$d^*(n)=9$ if and only if $n$ is divisible by $9$.
Since $360$ is divisible by $9$, its reduced digit sum is $9$; the same happenso for $180$ and so on.
When you divide an even integer $n$ by $2$, the quotient is divisible by $9$ if and only if $n$ is divisible by $9$.
What if the integer $n$ is odd? Well, the digits sum of $10n$ is the same as the digit sum of $n$. So what you are actually doing when arriving at $45$ is actually
begin{align}
&45 xrightarrow{cdot10} 450 xrightarrow{/2} 225 && d^*(225)=9 \
&225 xrightarrow{cdot10} 2250 xrightarrow{/2} 1225 && d^*(1225)=9
end{align}
and so on. Note that the first step can also be stated as
$$
45 xrightarrow{cdot5} 225
$$
Under these operations divisibility by $9$ is preserved, because you divide by $2$ or multiply by $5$.
Define the digit sum of the positive integer $n$ as the sum $d(n)$ of its digits. The reduced digit sum $d^*(n)$ is obtained by iterating the computation of the digit sum. For instance
$$
n=17254,quad
d(n)=1+7+2+5+4=19,
quad
d(d(n))=1+9=10,
quad
d(d(d(n)))=1+0=1=d^*(n)
$$
Note that $d(n)le n$, equality holding if and only if $1le nle 9$. Also, $1le d^*(n)le 9$, because the process stops only when the digit sum obtained is a one-digit number.
The main point is that $n-d(n)$ is divisible by $9$: indeed, if
$$
n=a_0+a_1cdot10+a_2cdot10^2+dots+a_ncdot10^n,
$$
then
$$
n-d(n)=a_0(1-1)+a_1(10-1)+a_2(10^2-1)+dots+a_n(10^n-1)
$$
and each factor $10^k-1$ is divisible by $9$. This extends to the reduced digit sum, because we can write (in the example above)
$$
n-d^*(n)=bigl(n-d(n)bigr)+bigl(d(n)-d(d(n))bigr)+bigl(d(d(n))-d(d(d(n)))bigr)
$$
and each parenthesized term is divisible by $9$. This works the same when a different number of steps is necessary.
Since the only one-digit number divisible by $9$ is $9$ itself, we can conclude that
$d^*(n)=9$ if and only if $n$ is divisible by $9$.
Since $360$ is divisible by $9$, its reduced digit sum is $9$; the same happenso for $180$ and so on.
When you divide an even integer $n$ by $2$, the quotient is divisible by $9$ if and only if $n$ is divisible by $9$.
What if the integer $n$ is odd? Well, the digits sum of $10n$ is the same as the digit sum of $n$. So what you are actually doing when arriving at $45$ is actually
begin{align}
&45 xrightarrow{cdot10} 450 xrightarrow{/2} 225 && d^*(225)=9 \
&225 xrightarrow{cdot10} 2250 xrightarrow{/2} 1225 && d^*(1225)=9
end{align}
and so on. Note that the first step can also be stated as
$$
45 xrightarrow{cdot5} 225
$$
Under these operations divisibility by $9$ is preserved, because you divide by $2$ or multiply by $5$.
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In general if an integer is divisible by 9 then its digital root is $9$. Any multiple of an integer divisible by $9$ will also be divisible by $9$ and have digital root $9$.
What's slightly surprising here is that this property is also preserved by division by $2$. Note that it doesn't work for, say, division by $3$, since $360/3 = 120$ has digital root $3$.
A relevant property that $2$ has, but $3$ doesn't, is that it's a factor of $10$. Dividing by $2$ is equivalent to multiplying by $5$, which preserves the property, and then dividing by $10$, which also preserves the property because it just removes a final zero, or adds or shifts the decimal point.
More generally, division by an integer $n$ will preserve the property of having digital root $9$ if all the prime factors of $n$ are factors of $10$, that is, it equals $2^a5^b$ for some $a,b geq1$. This works because division by $2^a5^b$ is equivalent to multiplying by $2^b5^a$ and then dividing by $10^{a+b}$.
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I would say the relevant property is more that 3 is a divisor of 9, and 2 isn't. Dividing/multiplying with 7 has the same effect, though the divisors of $10^k$ will always result in a finite number of non-zero digits.
– Paŭlo Ebermann
20 hours ago
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@PaŭloEbermann Could you please clarify your claim about dividing by 7? Division by 7 of most integers, including 360, results in a number containing an infinite recurring decimal. Surely in such cases the digital root isn't even well-defined?
– Adam Bailey
18 hours ago
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In general if an integer is divisible by 9 then its digital root is $9$. Any multiple of an integer divisible by $9$ will also be divisible by $9$ and have digital root $9$.
What's slightly surprising here is that this property is also preserved by division by $2$. Note that it doesn't work for, say, division by $3$, since $360/3 = 120$ has digital root $3$.
A relevant property that $2$ has, but $3$ doesn't, is that it's a factor of $10$. Dividing by $2$ is equivalent to multiplying by $5$, which preserves the property, and then dividing by $10$, which also preserves the property because it just removes a final zero, or adds or shifts the decimal point.
More generally, division by an integer $n$ will preserve the property of having digital root $9$ if all the prime factors of $n$ are factors of $10$, that is, it equals $2^a5^b$ for some $a,b geq1$. This works because division by $2^a5^b$ is equivalent to multiplying by $2^b5^a$ and then dividing by $10^{a+b}$.
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I would say the relevant property is more that 3 is a divisor of 9, and 2 isn't. Dividing/multiplying with 7 has the same effect, though the divisors of $10^k$ will always result in a finite number of non-zero digits.
– Paŭlo Ebermann
20 hours ago
4
@PaŭloEbermann Could you please clarify your claim about dividing by 7? Division by 7 of most integers, including 360, results in a number containing an infinite recurring decimal. Surely in such cases the digital root isn't even well-defined?
– Adam Bailey
18 hours ago
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In general if an integer is divisible by 9 then its digital root is $9$. Any multiple of an integer divisible by $9$ will also be divisible by $9$ and have digital root $9$.
What's slightly surprising here is that this property is also preserved by division by $2$. Note that it doesn't work for, say, division by $3$, since $360/3 = 120$ has digital root $3$.
A relevant property that $2$ has, but $3$ doesn't, is that it's a factor of $10$. Dividing by $2$ is equivalent to multiplying by $5$, which preserves the property, and then dividing by $10$, which also preserves the property because it just removes a final zero, or adds or shifts the decimal point.
More generally, division by an integer $n$ will preserve the property of having digital root $9$ if all the prime factors of $n$ are factors of $10$, that is, it equals $2^a5^b$ for some $a,b geq1$. This works because division by $2^a5^b$ is equivalent to multiplying by $2^b5^a$ and then dividing by $10^{a+b}$.
In general if an integer is divisible by 9 then its digital root is $9$. Any multiple of an integer divisible by $9$ will also be divisible by $9$ and have digital root $9$.
What's slightly surprising here is that this property is also preserved by division by $2$. Note that it doesn't work for, say, division by $3$, since $360/3 = 120$ has digital root $3$.
A relevant property that $2$ has, but $3$ doesn't, is that it's a factor of $10$. Dividing by $2$ is equivalent to multiplying by $5$, which preserves the property, and then dividing by $10$, which also preserves the property because it just removes a final zero, or adds or shifts the decimal point.
More generally, division by an integer $n$ will preserve the property of having digital root $9$ if all the prime factors of $n$ are factors of $10$, that is, it equals $2^a5^b$ for some $a,b geq1$. This works because division by $2^a5^b$ is equivalent to multiplying by $2^b5^a$ and then dividing by $10^{a+b}$.
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Adam BaileyAdam Bailey
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I would say the relevant property is more that 3 is a divisor of 9, and 2 isn't. Dividing/multiplying with 7 has the same effect, though the divisors of $10^k$ will always result in a finite number of non-zero digits.
– Paŭlo Ebermann
20 hours ago
4
@PaŭloEbermann Could you please clarify your claim about dividing by 7? Division by 7 of most integers, including 360, results in a number containing an infinite recurring decimal. Surely in such cases the digital root isn't even well-defined?
– Adam Bailey
18 hours ago
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2
I would say the relevant property is more that 3 is a divisor of 9, and 2 isn't. Dividing/multiplying with 7 has the same effect, though the divisors of $10^k$ will always result in a finite number of non-zero digits.
– Paŭlo Ebermann
20 hours ago
4
@PaŭloEbermann Could you please clarify your claim about dividing by 7? Division by 7 of most integers, including 360, results in a number containing an infinite recurring decimal. Surely in such cases the digital root isn't even well-defined?
– Adam Bailey
18 hours ago
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2
I would say the relevant property is more that 3 is a divisor of 9, and 2 isn't. Dividing/multiplying with 7 has the same effect, though the divisors of $10^k$ will always result in a finite number of non-zero digits.
– Paŭlo Ebermann
20 hours ago
I would say the relevant property is more that 3 is a divisor of 9, and 2 isn't. Dividing/multiplying with 7 has the same effect, though the divisors of $10^k$ will always result in a finite number of non-zero digits.
– Paŭlo Ebermann
20 hours ago
4
4
@PaŭloEbermann Could you please clarify your claim about dividing by 7? Division by 7 of most integers, including 360, results in a number containing an infinite recurring decimal. Surely in such cases the digital root isn't even well-defined?
– Adam Bailey
18 hours ago
@PaŭloEbermann Could you please clarify your claim about dividing by 7? Division by 7 of most integers, including 360, results in a number containing an infinite recurring decimal. Surely in such cases the digital root isn't even well-defined?
– Adam Bailey
18 hours ago
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A number is divisible by 9 iff its digits sum to a number divisible by 9. That's the underlying phenomenon here.
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A number is divisible by 9 iff its digits sum to a number divisible by 9. That's the underlying phenomenon here.
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A number is divisible by 9 iff its digits sum to a number divisible by 9. That's the underlying phenomenon here.
A number is divisible by 9 iff its digits sum to a number divisible by 9. That's the underlying phenomenon here.
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I think the other answers are unnecessarily complicated.
It's very simple: a number is a multiple of 9 if and only if the sum of its digits equals 9. You started with 360 which is a multiple by 9. When such a number can be divided by 2, the result will still be a multiple of 9 because 2 and 9 are coprime.
And when you finally get to the point where the number is not divisible by 2, as you did with 45, we can simply imagine that you multiplied by 10 before dividing by 2 - so that from 45 you go to 450 and then to 225, which is essentially the same as going to 22.5. And since multiplying by 10 also does not change the property of a number being a multiple of 9 (because 10 and 9 are coprime), your result is still a multiple of 9.
I think "because 2 does not divide 9" should be "because 2 and 9 are coprime". Take 6 instead of 2 to see that the reasoning is wrong as it is currently stated.
– Paul
13 hours ago
@Paul Oops, you're right. In fact I wrote "coprime" at first but in a (flawed) attempt to use simpler terminology I changed it to that... Fixed now, thanks!
– Pedro A
13 hours ago
But 7 is also coprime to 9, and starting from 360 you are immediately at the point where the number is not divisible by 7. And if you multiply by 10, or indeed any power of 10, it's still not divisible by 7. You get a number containing an infinite recurring decimal.
– Adam Bailey
5 hours ago
@AdamBailey Well, I agree. But what is your point? Why are you considering 7?
– Pedro A
2 hours ago
@PedroA I'm considering 7 because, like 2, it's coprime to 9, but unlike division by 2, division by 7 does not preserve the property of having a digital root of 9. The conclusion to be drawn is that the reason this property holds for division by 2 is not, or at least not solely, that 2 is coprime to 9.
– Adam Bailey
1 hour ago
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I think the other answers are unnecessarily complicated.
It's very simple: a number is a multiple of 9 if and only if the sum of its digits equals 9. You started with 360 which is a multiple by 9. When such a number can be divided by 2, the result will still be a multiple of 9 because 2 and 9 are coprime.
And when you finally get to the point where the number is not divisible by 2, as you did with 45, we can simply imagine that you multiplied by 10 before dividing by 2 - so that from 45 you go to 450 and then to 225, which is essentially the same as going to 22.5. And since multiplying by 10 also does not change the property of a number being a multiple of 9 (because 10 and 9 are coprime), your result is still a multiple of 9.
I think "because 2 does not divide 9" should be "because 2 and 9 are coprime". Take 6 instead of 2 to see that the reasoning is wrong as it is currently stated.
– Paul
13 hours ago
@Paul Oops, you're right. In fact I wrote "coprime" at first but in a (flawed) attempt to use simpler terminology I changed it to that... Fixed now, thanks!
– Pedro A
13 hours ago
But 7 is also coprime to 9, and starting from 360 you are immediately at the point where the number is not divisible by 7. And if you multiply by 10, or indeed any power of 10, it's still not divisible by 7. You get a number containing an infinite recurring decimal.
– Adam Bailey
5 hours ago
@AdamBailey Well, I agree. But what is your point? Why are you considering 7?
– Pedro A
2 hours ago
@PedroA I'm considering 7 because, like 2, it's coprime to 9, but unlike division by 2, division by 7 does not preserve the property of having a digital root of 9. The conclusion to be drawn is that the reason this property holds for division by 2 is not, or at least not solely, that 2 is coprime to 9.
– Adam Bailey
1 hour ago
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I think the other answers are unnecessarily complicated.
It's very simple: a number is a multiple of 9 if and only if the sum of its digits equals 9. You started with 360 which is a multiple by 9. When such a number can be divided by 2, the result will still be a multiple of 9 because 2 and 9 are coprime.
And when you finally get to the point where the number is not divisible by 2, as you did with 45, we can simply imagine that you multiplied by 10 before dividing by 2 - so that from 45 you go to 450 and then to 225, which is essentially the same as going to 22.5. And since multiplying by 10 also does not change the property of a number being a multiple of 9 (because 10 and 9 are coprime), your result is still a multiple of 9.
I think the other answers are unnecessarily complicated.
It's very simple: a number is a multiple of 9 if and only if the sum of its digits equals 9. You started with 360 which is a multiple by 9. When such a number can be divided by 2, the result will still be a multiple of 9 because 2 and 9 are coprime.
And when you finally get to the point where the number is not divisible by 2, as you did with 45, we can simply imagine that you multiplied by 10 before dividing by 2 - so that from 45 you go to 450 and then to 225, which is essentially the same as going to 22.5. And since multiplying by 10 also does not change the property of a number being a multiple of 9 (because 10 and 9 are coprime), your result is still a multiple of 9.
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Pedro APedro A
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I think "because 2 does not divide 9" should be "because 2 and 9 are coprime". Take 6 instead of 2 to see that the reasoning is wrong as it is currently stated.
– Paul
13 hours ago
@Paul Oops, you're right. In fact I wrote "coprime" at first but in a (flawed) attempt to use simpler terminology I changed it to that... Fixed now, thanks!
– Pedro A
13 hours ago
But 7 is also coprime to 9, and starting from 360 you are immediately at the point where the number is not divisible by 7. And if you multiply by 10, or indeed any power of 10, it's still not divisible by 7. You get a number containing an infinite recurring decimal.
– Adam Bailey
5 hours ago
@AdamBailey Well, I agree. But what is your point? Why are you considering 7?
– Pedro A
2 hours ago
@PedroA I'm considering 7 because, like 2, it's coprime to 9, but unlike division by 2, division by 7 does not preserve the property of having a digital root of 9. The conclusion to be drawn is that the reason this property holds for division by 2 is not, or at least not solely, that 2 is coprime to 9.
– Adam Bailey
1 hour ago
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I think "because 2 does not divide 9" should be "because 2 and 9 are coprime". Take 6 instead of 2 to see that the reasoning is wrong as it is currently stated.
– Paul
13 hours ago
@Paul Oops, you're right. In fact I wrote "coprime" at first but in a (flawed) attempt to use simpler terminology I changed it to that... Fixed now, thanks!
– Pedro A
13 hours ago
But 7 is also coprime to 9, and starting from 360 you are immediately at the point where the number is not divisible by 7. And if you multiply by 10, or indeed any power of 10, it's still not divisible by 7. You get a number containing an infinite recurring decimal.
– Adam Bailey
5 hours ago
@AdamBailey Well, I agree. But what is your point? Why are you considering 7?
– Pedro A
2 hours ago
@PedroA I'm considering 7 because, like 2, it's coprime to 9, but unlike division by 2, division by 7 does not preserve the property of having a digital root of 9. The conclusion to be drawn is that the reason this property holds for division by 2 is not, or at least not solely, that 2 is coprime to 9.
– Adam Bailey
1 hour ago
I think "because 2 does not divide 9" should be "because 2 and 9 are coprime". Take 6 instead of 2 to see that the reasoning is wrong as it is currently stated.
– Paul
13 hours ago
I think "because 2 does not divide 9" should be "because 2 and 9 are coprime". Take 6 instead of 2 to see that the reasoning is wrong as it is currently stated.
– Paul
13 hours ago
@Paul Oops, you're right. In fact I wrote "coprime" at first but in a (flawed) attempt to use simpler terminology I changed it to that... Fixed now, thanks!
– Pedro A
13 hours ago
@Paul Oops, you're right. In fact I wrote "coprime" at first but in a (flawed) attempt to use simpler terminology I changed it to that... Fixed now, thanks!
– Pedro A
13 hours ago
But 7 is also coprime to 9, and starting from 360 you are immediately at the point where the number is not divisible by 7. And if you multiply by 10, or indeed any power of 10, it's still not divisible by 7. You get a number containing an infinite recurring decimal.
– Adam Bailey
5 hours ago
But 7 is also coprime to 9, and starting from 360 you are immediately at the point where the number is not divisible by 7. And if you multiply by 10, or indeed any power of 10, it's still not divisible by 7. You get a number containing an infinite recurring decimal.
– Adam Bailey
5 hours ago
@AdamBailey Well, I agree. But what is your point? Why are you considering 7?
– Pedro A
2 hours ago
@AdamBailey Well, I agree. But what is your point? Why are you considering 7?
– Pedro A
2 hours ago
@PedroA I'm considering 7 because, like 2, it's coprime to 9, but unlike division by 2, division by 7 does not preserve the property of having a digital root of 9. The conclusion to be drawn is that the reason this property holds for division by 2 is not, or at least not solely, that 2 is coprime to 9.
– Adam Bailey
1 hour ago
@PedroA I'm considering 7 because, like 2, it's coprime to 9, but unlike division by 2, division by 7 does not preserve the property of having a digital root of 9. The conclusion to be drawn is that the reason this property holds for division by 2 is not, or at least not solely, that 2 is coprime to 9.
– Adam Bailey
1 hour ago
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1) The sum of the digits of a multiple of $9$ will be a multiple of $9$.
Why? If $N$ is a multiple of $9$ then $N - 9k$ will also be a multiple of $9$ for all integers $k$.
If $N = sum_{k=0}^n a_k 10^k$ is a multiple of $9$ then $(sum_{k=0}^n a_k 10^k) - 9(a_1 + 11a_2 + 111a_3 + ..... + 1111.....1111a_n)$ is a multiple of $9$.
And $(sum_{k=0}^n a_k 10^k) - 9(a_1 + 11a_2 + 111a_3 + ..... + 1111.....1111a_n)=$
$(sum_{k=0}^n a_k 10^k) - (9a_1 + 99a_2 + 999a_3 + ..... + 9999.....9999a_n)=$
$sum_{k=0}^n [a_k*10^k - underbrace{999...9}k*a_k]=$
$sum_{k=0}^n a_k(10^k - underbrace{999...9}k)=sum_{k=0}^n a_k*1 =$ the sum of the digits of $N$.
2) we can extend that decimals:
If $N$ is $9$ times some terminating decimal than the sum of the digits are a multiple of $9$.
Why? Well, its the same as above except $N$ has be divided by a power of $10$. But that only affects the position of the decimal point. It doesn't affect the digits.
3) If $N$ is a $9$ times a terminating decimal than $frac N2$ is $9$ times a terminating decimal.
If $N = 9times M$ and $M$ is a terminating decimal then $frac M2$ is a terminating decimal. Then $frac N2 = 9times frac M2$ is also $9$ times a terminating decimal and the digits add up to a multiple of $9$.
4) Since $360 = 9*40$ we start with a number whose digits add to $9$. Successively dividing by $2$ will result in $9*20$ and $9*10$ and so on, always $9$ times a terminating decimal with the sum of the digits being a multiple of $9$.
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1) The sum of the digits of a multiple of $9$ will be a multiple of $9$.
Why? If $N$ is a multiple of $9$ then $N - 9k$ will also be a multiple of $9$ for all integers $k$.
If $N = sum_{k=0}^n a_k 10^k$ is a multiple of $9$ then $(sum_{k=0}^n a_k 10^k) - 9(a_1 + 11a_2 + 111a_3 + ..... + 1111.....1111a_n)$ is a multiple of $9$.
And $(sum_{k=0}^n a_k 10^k) - 9(a_1 + 11a_2 + 111a_3 + ..... + 1111.....1111a_n)=$
$(sum_{k=0}^n a_k 10^k) - (9a_1 + 99a_2 + 999a_3 + ..... + 9999.....9999a_n)=$
$sum_{k=0}^n [a_k*10^k - underbrace{999...9}k*a_k]=$
$sum_{k=0}^n a_k(10^k - underbrace{999...9}k)=sum_{k=0}^n a_k*1 =$ the sum of the digits of $N$.
2) we can extend that decimals:
If $N$ is $9$ times some terminating decimal than the sum of the digits are a multiple of $9$.
Why? Well, its the same as above except $N$ has be divided by a power of $10$. But that only affects the position of the decimal point. It doesn't affect the digits.
3) If $N$ is a $9$ times a terminating decimal than $frac N2$ is $9$ times a terminating decimal.
If $N = 9times M$ and $M$ is a terminating decimal then $frac M2$ is a terminating decimal. Then $frac N2 = 9times frac M2$ is also $9$ times a terminating decimal and the digits add up to a multiple of $9$.
4) Since $360 = 9*40$ we start with a number whose digits add to $9$. Successively dividing by $2$ will result in $9*20$ and $9*10$ and so on, always $9$ times a terminating decimal with the sum of the digits being a multiple of $9$.
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1) The sum of the digits of a multiple of $9$ will be a multiple of $9$.
Why? If $N$ is a multiple of $9$ then $N - 9k$ will also be a multiple of $9$ for all integers $k$.
If $N = sum_{k=0}^n a_k 10^k$ is a multiple of $9$ then $(sum_{k=0}^n a_k 10^k) - 9(a_1 + 11a_2 + 111a_3 + ..... + 1111.....1111a_n)$ is a multiple of $9$.
And $(sum_{k=0}^n a_k 10^k) - 9(a_1 + 11a_2 + 111a_3 + ..... + 1111.....1111a_n)=$
$(sum_{k=0}^n a_k 10^k) - (9a_1 + 99a_2 + 999a_3 + ..... + 9999.....9999a_n)=$
$sum_{k=0}^n [a_k*10^k - underbrace{999...9}k*a_k]=$
$sum_{k=0}^n a_k(10^k - underbrace{999...9}k)=sum_{k=0}^n a_k*1 =$ the sum of the digits of $N$.
2) we can extend that decimals:
If $N$ is $9$ times some terminating decimal than the sum of the digits are a multiple of $9$.
Why? Well, its the same as above except $N$ has be divided by a power of $10$. But that only affects the position of the decimal point. It doesn't affect the digits.
3) If $N$ is a $9$ times a terminating decimal than $frac N2$ is $9$ times a terminating decimal.
If $N = 9times M$ and $M$ is a terminating decimal then $frac M2$ is a terminating decimal. Then $frac N2 = 9times frac M2$ is also $9$ times a terminating decimal and the digits add up to a multiple of $9$.
4) Since $360 = 9*40$ we start with a number whose digits add to $9$. Successively dividing by $2$ will result in $9*20$ and $9*10$ and so on, always $9$ times a terminating decimal with the sum of the digits being a multiple of $9$.
1) The sum of the digits of a multiple of $9$ will be a multiple of $9$.
Why? If $N$ is a multiple of $9$ then $N - 9k$ will also be a multiple of $9$ for all integers $k$.
If $N = sum_{k=0}^n a_k 10^k$ is a multiple of $9$ then $(sum_{k=0}^n a_k 10^k) - 9(a_1 + 11a_2 + 111a_3 + ..... + 1111.....1111a_n)$ is a multiple of $9$.
And $(sum_{k=0}^n a_k 10^k) - 9(a_1 + 11a_2 + 111a_3 + ..... + 1111.....1111a_n)=$
$(sum_{k=0}^n a_k 10^k) - (9a_1 + 99a_2 + 999a_3 + ..... + 9999.....9999a_n)=$
$sum_{k=0}^n [a_k*10^k - underbrace{999...9}k*a_k]=$
$sum_{k=0}^n a_k(10^k - underbrace{999...9}k)=sum_{k=0}^n a_k*1 =$ the sum of the digits of $N$.
2) we can extend that decimals:
If $N$ is $9$ times some terminating decimal than the sum of the digits are a multiple of $9$.
Why? Well, its the same as above except $N$ has be divided by a power of $10$. But that only affects the position of the decimal point. It doesn't affect the digits.
3) If $N$ is a $9$ times a terminating decimal than $frac N2$ is $9$ times a terminating decimal.
If $N = 9times M$ and $M$ is a terminating decimal then $frac M2$ is a terminating decimal. Then $frac N2 = 9times frac M2$ is also $9$ times a terminating decimal and the digits add up to a multiple of $9$.
4) Since $360 = 9*40$ we start with a number whose digits add to $9$. Successively dividing by $2$ will result in $9*20$ and $9*10$ and so on, always $9$ times a terminating decimal with the sum of the digits being a multiple of $9$.
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One thing to realise is that the sum of the digits of a multiple of 9 is also a multiple of 9: math.stackexchange.com/questions/1221698/…
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Rather than dividing by 2, a better way to do it might be to multiply by 5, because both will result in the same decimal digits. Now all you’re doing is (repeatedly) computing that 0*5=0 mod 9.
– Shalop
23 hours ago
It would work too with division by $5$ (or multiplication by $2$)
– Henry
16 hours ago
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Try dividing by 11 and see what you get :-)
– ChatterOne
7 hours ago