Find all finite sets A so that A x P(A) = P(A) x A, where P(A) is the power set of A.
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Now I'm a beginner at Discrete Math so I'm not sure how to tackle this problem. I was expecting that a set with elements would provided to prove this. My best hunch is that all sets should work since its the same on both sides of the equal sign. If you could help me find out how work through the question, instead of just an answer that would be great!
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Now I'm a beginner at Discrete Math so I'm not sure how to tackle this problem. I was expecting that a set with elements would provided to prove this. My best hunch is that all sets should work since its the same on both sides of the equal sign. If you could help me find out how work through the question, instead of just an answer that would be great!
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If by $times$ you mean the Cartesian Product, then it is not true that $A times mathcal{P}(A) = mathcal{P}(A) times A$. $mathcal{P}(A)$ is composed of sets of $A$ and $A$ is composed of elements of $A$, so I can't think of any scenario where this would be true.
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In fact, $A times B neq B times A$ unless $A = B$, and because $mathcal{P}(A) neq A$, they can never be equal.
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@Hyperion $ emptyset times mbox{ anything } = mbox{ anything } times emptyset$.
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@N.S. I didn't catch that; you're right.
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Now I'm a beginner at Discrete Math so I'm not sure how to tackle this problem. I was expecting that a set with elements would provided to prove this. My best hunch is that all sets should work since its the same on both sides of the equal sign. If you could help me find out how work through the question, instead of just an answer that would be great!
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Now I'm a beginner at Discrete Math so I'm not sure how to tackle this problem. I was expecting that a set with elements would provided to prove this. My best hunch is that all sets should work since its the same on both sides of the equal sign. If you could help me find out how work through the question, instead of just an answer that would be great!
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If by $times$ you mean the Cartesian Product, then it is not true that $A times mathcal{P}(A) = mathcal{P}(A) times A$. $mathcal{P}(A)$ is composed of sets of $A$ and $A$ is composed of elements of $A$, so I can't think of any scenario where this would be true.
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In fact, $A times B neq B times A$ unless $A = B$, and because $mathcal{P}(A) neq A$, they can never be equal.
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– Hyperion
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@Hyperion $ emptyset times mbox{ anything } = mbox{ anything } times emptyset$.
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@N.S. I didn't catch that; you're right.
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If by $times$ you mean the Cartesian Product, then it is not true that $A times mathcal{P}(A) = mathcal{P}(A) times A$. $mathcal{P}(A)$ is composed of sets of $A$ and $A$ is composed of elements of $A$, so I can't think of any scenario where this would be true.
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In fact, $A times B neq B times A$ unless $A = B$, and because $mathcal{P}(A) neq A$, they can never be equal.
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@Hyperion $ emptyset times mbox{ anything } = mbox{ anything } times emptyset$.
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@N.S. I didn't catch that; you're right.
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If by $times$ you mean the Cartesian Product, then it is not true that $A times mathcal{P}(A) = mathcal{P}(A) times A$. $mathcal{P}(A)$ is composed of sets of $A$ and $A$ is composed of elements of $A$, so I can't think of any scenario where this would be true.
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– Hyperion
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If by $times$ you mean the Cartesian Product, then it is not true that $A times mathcal{P}(A) = mathcal{P}(A) times A$. $mathcal{P}(A)$ is composed of sets of $A$ and $A$ is composed of elements of $A$, so I can't think of any scenario where this would be true.
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In fact, $A times B neq B times A$ unless $A = B$, and because $mathcal{P}(A) neq A$, they can never be equal.
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– Hyperion
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In fact, $A times B neq B times A$ unless $A = B$, and because $mathcal{P}(A) neq A$, they can never be equal.
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– Hyperion
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@Hyperion $ emptyset times mbox{ anything } = mbox{ anything } times emptyset$.
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– N. S.
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@Hyperion $ emptyset times mbox{ anything } = mbox{ anything } times emptyset$.
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– N. S.
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@N.S. I didn't catch that; you're right.
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@N.S. I didn't catch that; you're right.
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Hint 1: $mathcal P (A)$ always has more elements than $A$. In particular $A neq mathcal P(A)$.
Hint 2: If $A times B =B times A$ then you can prove that either $A=B$ or one of $A,B$ is empty.
Indeed, if you assume by contradiction that you have $A neq B$ and that neither $A$ nor $B$ is empty, then you can find an element $x$ which is in exactly one of the sets $A$ or $B$. Now, by using that neither $A$ nor $B$ is empty, you can pick some $y$ in the other set. Look at $(x,y)$.
Hint 3 Conclude that $A=emptyset$ is the only solution.
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This helps out a lot, I understand why it works this way because of how a Cartesian products of sets are defined. If you don't mind me asking how would I continue to prove that they are not equal. Is it sufficient to state that because of how we define a Cartesian product , and because P(A) and A are not the same unless A is an empty set the two sides cannot be equal? Also this is my first post ever, and the lightning fast detailed response is really great, and super helpful. Thanks for helping people out
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@Viz-sa There are many ways to show that $mathcal P(A)$ is bigger. For example $f : A to mathcal{P}(A)$ defined by $f(x)= { x }$ is one to one but not onto, since it doesn't take the "value" ${ emptyset } in P(A)$.... Or you can show that if $A$ has $n$ elements, then $P(A)$ has $2^n$ and that $2^n >n$ for all $n geq 0$.
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@Viz-sa Or you can use the Cantor theorem, which proves the claim even for infinite sets :)
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Assuming that "x" is the Cartesian product of two sets, we have the definition
For two sets $A$ and $B$, the cartesian product is given by
$$Atimes B={ (a,b):ain A, bin B}$$
Suppose that $Atimes P(A)$ for some set $A$.
Then, each element of $P(A)$ must be in $A$.
However, by Cantor's theorem, we have that $|A|<|P(A)|$ for any $A$, thus there is at least one element of $P(A)$ that is not in $A$.
Thus it cannot be true that $Atimes P(A)=P(A)times A$ for any set $A$.
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"Then, each element of $P(A)$ must be in $A$" is not true.... You need the extra assumption that $A$ is not empty to deduce that.
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Note that $A=emptyset$ satisfies $A times P(A)=P(A) times A$.
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Note that if $B times C subset D times E$, you need the extra assumption that $C neq emptyset$ to conclude that $B subset D$.
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Thank you for the correction, will edit.
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Hint 1: $mathcal P (A)$ always has more elements than $A$. In particular $A neq mathcal P(A)$.
Hint 2: If $A times B =B times A$ then you can prove that either $A=B$ or one of $A,B$ is empty.
Indeed, if you assume by contradiction that you have $A neq B$ and that neither $A$ nor $B$ is empty, then you can find an element $x$ which is in exactly one of the sets $A$ or $B$. Now, by using that neither $A$ nor $B$ is empty, you can pick some $y$ in the other set. Look at $(x,y)$.
Hint 3 Conclude that $A=emptyset$ is the only solution.
answered 56 mins ago
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This helps out a lot, I understand why it works this way because of how a Cartesian products of sets are defined. If you don't mind me asking how would I continue to prove that they are not equal. Is it sufficient to state that because of how we define a Cartesian product , and because P(A) and A are not the same unless A is an empty set the two sides cannot be equal? Also this is my first post ever, and the lightning fast detailed response is really great, and super helpful. Thanks for helping people out
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@Viz-sa There are many ways to show that $mathcal P(A)$ is bigger. For example $f : A to mathcal{P}(A)$ defined by $f(x)= { x }$ is one to one but not onto, since it doesn't take the "value" ${ emptyset } in P(A)$.... Or you can show that if $A$ has $n$ elements, then $P(A)$ has $2^n$ and that $2^n >n$ for all $n geq 0$.
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– N. S.
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@Viz-sa Or you can use the Cantor theorem, which proves the claim even for infinite sets :)
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Hint 1: $mathcal P (A)$ always has more elements than $A$. In particular $A neq mathcal P(A)$.
Hint 2: If $A times B =B times A$ then you can prove that either $A=B$ or one of $A,B$ is empty.
Indeed, if you assume by contradiction that you have $A neq B$ and that neither $A$ nor $B$ is empty, then you can find an element $x$ which is in exactly one of the sets $A$ or $B$. Now, by using that neither $A$ nor $B$ is empty, you can pick some $y$ in the other set. Look at $(x,y)$.
Hint 3 Conclude that $A=emptyset$ is the only solution.
answered 56 mins ago
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This helps out a lot, I understand why it works this way because of how a Cartesian products of sets are defined. If you don't mind me asking how would I continue to prove that they are not equal. Is it sufficient to state that because of how we define a Cartesian product , and because P(A) and A are not the same unless A is an empty set the two sides cannot be equal? Also this is my first post ever, and the lightning fast detailed response is really great, and super helpful. Thanks for helping people out
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@Viz-sa There are many ways to show that $mathcal P(A)$ is bigger. For example $f : A to mathcal{P}(A)$ defined by $f(x)= { x }$ is one to one but not onto, since it doesn't take the "value" ${ emptyset } in P(A)$.... Or you can show that if $A$ has $n$ elements, then $P(A)$ has $2^n$ and that $2^n >n$ for all $n geq 0$.
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– N. S.
40 mins ago
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@Viz-sa Or you can use the Cantor theorem, which proves the claim even for infinite sets :)
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Hint 1: $mathcal P (A)$ always has more elements than $A$. In particular $A neq mathcal P(A)$.
Hint 2: If $A times B =B times A$ then you can prove that either $A=B$ or one of $A,B$ is empty.
Indeed, if you assume by contradiction that you have $A neq B$ and that neither $A$ nor $B$ is empty, then you can find an element $x$ which is in exactly one of the sets $A$ or $B$. Now, by using that neither $A$ nor $B$ is empty, you can pick some $y$ in the other set. Look at $(x,y)$.
Hint 3 Conclude that $A=emptyset$ is the only solution.
answered 56 mins ago
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Hint 1: $mathcal P (A)$ always has more elements than $A$. In particular $A neq mathcal P(A)$.
Hint 2: If $A times B =B times A$ then you can prove that either $A=B$ or one of $A,B$ is empty.
Indeed, if you assume by contradiction that you have $A neq B$ and that neither $A$ nor $B$ is empty, then you can find an element $x$ which is in exactly one of the sets $A$ or $B$. Now, by using that neither $A$ nor $B$ is empty, you can pick some $y$ in the other set. Look at $(x,y)$.
Hint 3 Conclude that $A=emptyset$ is the only solution.
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This helps out a lot, I understand why it works this way because of how a Cartesian products of sets are defined. If you don't mind me asking how would I continue to prove that they are not equal. Is it sufficient to state that because of how we define a Cartesian product , and because P(A) and A are not the same unless A is an empty set the two sides cannot be equal? Also this is my first post ever, and the lightning fast detailed response is really great, and super helpful. Thanks for helping people out
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– Brownie
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@Viz-sa There are many ways to show that $mathcal P(A)$ is bigger. For example $f : A to mathcal{P}(A)$ defined by $f(x)= { x }$ is one to one but not onto, since it doesn't take the "value" ${ emptyset } in P(A)$.... Or you can show that if $A$ has $n$ elements, then $P(A)$ has $2^n$ and that $2^n >n$ for all $n geq 0$.
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– N. S.
40 mins ago
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@Viz-sa Or you can use the Cantor theorem, which proves the claim even for infinite sets :)
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– N. S.
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This helps out a lot, I understand why it works this way because of how a Cartesian products of sets are defined. If you don't mind me asking how would I continue to prove that they are not equal. Is it sufficient to state that because of how we define a Cartesian product , and because P(A) and A are not the same unless A is an empty set the two sides cannot be equal? Also this is my first post ever, and the lightning fast detailed response is really great, and super helpful. Thanks for helping people out
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@Viz-sa There are many ways to show that $mathcal P(A)$ is bigger. For example $f : A to mathcal{P}(A)$ defined by $f(x)= { x }$ is one to one but not onto, since it doesn't take the "value" ${ emptyset } in P(A)$.... Or you can show that if $A$ has $n$ elements, then $P(A)$ has $2^n$ and that $2^n >n$ for all $n geq 0$.
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– N. S.
40 mins ago
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@Viz-sa Or you can use the Cantor theorem, which proves the claim even for infinite sets :)
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– N. S.
40 mins ago
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This helps out a lot, I understand why it works this way because of how a Cartesian products of sets are defined. If you don't mind me asking how would I continue to prove that they are not equal. Is it sufficient to state that because of how we define a Cartesian product , and because P(A) and A are not the same unless A is an empty set the two sides cannot be equal? Also this is my first post ever, and the lightning fast detailed response is really great, and super helpful. Thanks for helping people out
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– Brownie
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This helps out a lot, I understand why it works this way because of how a Cartesian products of sets are defined. If you don't mind me asking how would I continue to prove that they are not equal. Is it sufficient to state that because of how we define a Cartesian product , and because P(A) and A are not the same unless A is an empty set the two sides cannot be equal? Also this is my first post ever, and the lightning fast detailed response is really great, and super helpful. Thanks for helping people out
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@Viz-sa There are many ways to show that $mathcal P(A)$ is bigger. For example $f : A to mathcal{P}(A)$ defined by $f(x)= { x }$ is one to one but not onto, since it doesn't take the "value" ${ emptyset } in P(A)$.... Or you can show that if $A$ has $n$ elements, then $P(A)$ has $2^n$ and that $2^n >n$ for all $n geq 0$.
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– N. S.
40 mins ago
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@Viz-sa There are many ways to show that $mathcal P(A)$ is bigger. For example $f : A to mathcal{P}(A)$ defined by $f(x)= { x }$ is one to one but not onto, since it doesn't take the "value" ${ emptyset } in P(A)$.... Or you can show that if $A$ has $n$ elements, then $P(A)$ has $2^n$ and that $2^n >n$ for all $n geq 0$.
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– N. S.
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@Viz-sa Or you can use the Cantor theorem, which proves the claim even for infinite sets :)
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– N. S.
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@Viz-sa Or you can use the Cantor theorem, which proves the claim even for infinite sets :)
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Assuming that "x" is the Cartesian product of two sets, we have the definition
For two sets $A$ and $B$, the cartesian product is given by
$$Atimes B={ (a,b):ain A, bin B}$$
Suppose that $Atimes P(A)$ for some set $A$.
Then, each element of $P(A)$ must be in $A$.
However, by Cantor's theorem, we have that $|A|<|P(A)|$ for any $A$, thus there is at least one element of $P(A)$ that is not in $A$.
Thus it cannot be true that $Atimes P(A)=P(A)times A$ for any set $A$.
answered 52 mins ago
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"Then, each element of $P(A)$ must be in $A$" is not true.... You need the extra assumption that $A$ is not empty to deduce that.
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– N. S.
49 mins ago
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Note that $A=emptyset$ satisfies $A times P(A)=P(A) times A$.
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– N. S.
48 mins ago
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Note that if $B times C subset D times E$, you need the extra assumption that $C neq emptyset$ to conclude that $B subset D$.
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– N. S.
42 mins ago
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Thank you for the correction, will edit.
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– 高田航
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Assuming that "x" is the Cartesian product of two sets, we have the definition
For two sets $A$ and $B$, the cartesian product is given by
$$Atimes B={ (a,b):ain A, bin B}$$
Suppose that $Atimes P(A)$ for some set $A$.
Then, each element of $P(A)$ must be in $A$.
However, by Cantor's theorem, we have that $|A|<|P(A)|$ for any $A$, thus there is at least one element of $P(A)$ that is not in $A$.
Thus it cannot be true that $Atimes P(A)=P(A)times A$ for any set $A$.
answered 52 mins ago
高田航高田航
1,313418
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"Then, each element of $P(A)$ must be in $A$" is not true.... You need the extra assumption that $A$ is not empty to deduce that.
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– N. S.
49 mins ago
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Note that $A=emptyset$ satisfies $A times P(A)=P(A) times A$.
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– N. S.
48 mins ago
1
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Note that if $B times C subset D times E$, you need the extra assumption that $C neq emptyset$ to conclude that $B subset D$.
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– N. S.
42 mins ago
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Thank you for the correction, will edit.
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– 高田航
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$begingroup$
Assuming that "x" is the Cartesian product of two sets, we have the definition
For two sets $A$ and $B$, the cartesian product is given by
$$Atimes B={ (a,b):ain A, bin B}$$
Suppose that $Atimes P(A)$ for some set $A$.
Then, each element of $P(A)$ must be in $A$.
However, by Cantor's theorem, we have that $|A|<|P(A)|$ for any $A$, thus there is at least one element of $P(A)$ that is not in $A$.
Thus it cannot be true that $Atimes P(A)=P(A)times A$ for any set $A$.
answered 52 mins ago
高田航高田航
1,313418
$endgroup$
Assuming that "x" is the Cartesian product of two sets, we have the definition
For two sets $A$ and $B$, the cartesian product is given by
$$Atimes B={ (a,b):ain A, bin B}$$
Suppose that $Atimes P(A)$ for some set $A$.
Then, each element of $P(A)$ must be in $A$.
However, by Cantor's theorem, we have that $|A|<|P(A)|$ for any $A$, thus there is at least one element of $P(A)$ that is not in $A$.
Thus it cannot be true that $Atimes P(A)=P(A)times A$ for any set $A$.
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"Then, each element of $P(A)$ must be in $A$" is not true.... You need the extra assumption that $A$ is not empty to deduce that.
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– N. S.
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Note that $A=emptyset$ satisfies $A times P(A)=P(A) times A$.
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– N. S.
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Note that if $B times C subset D times E$, you need the extra assumption that $C neq emptyset$ to conclude that $B subset D$.
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Thank you for the correction, will edit.
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"Then, each element of $P(A)$ must be in $A$" is not true.... You need the extra assumption that $A$ is not empty to deduce that.
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– N. S.
49 mins ago
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Note that $A=emptyset$ satisfies $A times P(A)=P(A) times A$.
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– N. S.
48 mins ago
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Note that if $B times C subset D times E$, you need the extra assumption that $C neq emptyset$ to conclude that $B subset D$.
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– N. S.
42 mins ago
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Thank you for the correction, will edit.
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– 高田航
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"Then, each element of $P(A)$ must be in $A$" is not true.... You need the extra assumption that $A$ is not empty to deduce that.
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– N. S.
49 mins ago
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"Then, each element of $P(A)$ must be in $A$" is not true.... You need the extra assumption that $A$ is not empty to deduce that.
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– N. S.
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Note that $A=emptyset$ satisfies $A times P(A)=P(A) times A$.
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– N. S.
48 mins ago
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Note that $A=emptyset$ satisfies $A times P(A)=P(A) times A$.
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– N. S.
48 mins ago
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Note that if $B times C subset D times E$, you need the extra assumption that $C neq emptyset$ to conclude that $B subset D$.
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– N. S.
42 mins ago
$begingroup$
Note that if $B times C subset D times E$, you need the extra assumption that $C neq emptyset$ to conclude that $B subset D$.
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– N. S.
42 mins ago
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Thank you for the correction, will edit.
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– 高田航
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Thank you for the correction, will edit.
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– 高田航
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If by $times$ you mean the Cartesian Product, then it is not true that $A times mathcal{P}(A) = mathcal{P}(A) times A$. $mathcal{P}(A)$ is composed of sets of $A$ and $A$ is composed of elements of $A$, so I can't think of any scenario where this would be true.
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In fact, $A times B neq B times A$ unless $A = B$, and because $mathcal{P}(A) neq A$, they can never be equal.
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@Hyperion $ emptyset times mbox{ anything } = mbox{ anything } times emptyset$.
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@N.S. I didn't catch that; you're right.
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